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#26 09-17-2008 21:54:35

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Re: Igorots for Manny B. Villar

but can someone explain Villar's business interests in these? simple lang naman yata. he shouldn't let his company/ies do government projects in the first place.ganun din si BF , bayani fernando, conflict of interest. so definitely masasangkot nga ang mga officials sa ganitong bagay.

best for prezdent? Villar (sa ngayon).


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#27 09-18-2008 23:49:49

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Re: Igorots for Manny B. Villar

While MB Villar's business interests -- mainly in real estate, cannot be fully divorced from his attention as Senator, such interests have been overseen mainly by professional corporate managers. I can't speak for the man, but records show that Senator Villar divested his control over the companies he owned, turning them over to the Board of Directors, which include his children.

Anyway, the truth on the so-called insertions are coming out. The senators are publicly admitting what they have "inserted" by way of amendments. Let's see what Senator Villar has "inserted", if any. Enrile, Santiago and Pia Cayetano have mentioned theirs. Mar Roxas simply filed a proposal to make insertions public knowledge, after he admitted his own insertions. Lacson has not yet spoken on this, claiming  he has no pork barrel to speak of.

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#28 09-19-2008 00:01:29

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insertions are really legal.. they are termed CIA, PDAF, etc. where the congressman/senator will identify the project and it is usually the DPWH who will implement it.. actually, the project will be implemented in the name of the proponent congressman/senator that's why you will see those billboards bearing the name of congressman/senator so and so.. of course, there are some proponents who collect  10- 25 % of the amount to be released for a certain project funded from their CIA/PDAF, etc. while still some will make it a condition that their favorite dummy cum contractor will be chosen as the contractor of the project.


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#29 09-19-2008 20:47:54

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You're right there, Marc. These funds, euphemistically pork barrels, are a source of commissions for the senatongs and tongressmen who recommend the contractors for particular projects.  In fact, an investigation by the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism shows that commissions for legislators from projects in their districts or which they sponsor comprise 28 percent of their annual take from the government's coffers. Their annual total income averages P11 million per tongressman and P20 million upwards for senatongs.  That covers legal allocations including salaries, allowances (five times more than their salaries), extra/incidental expenses and those freaking commissions.

No wonder those politicians are killing each other, and spending millions for those legislative posts.  Hopefully, the revised election bill sponsored by Angara, et. al. (filed 12 years ago) will see light...kaano pay? Since they themselves profit from this anomaly...baka haan tayo nga makitan....

Thus, let us choose our leaders not by how popular they are...but by the values they advocate.


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#30 12-23-2008 18:33:01

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MVillar is a good choice but I would prefer Erap.

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#31 12-23-2008 21:48:54

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Erap will not run...according to a cousin (of Jinggoy). Pakita lang isuna...to pressure that Jinggoy will be considered for VP by any Presidentiable.


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#32 01-12-2009 21:29:38

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In a meeting yesterday, Senator Villar regaled his audience with his face-to-face meetings with kail-yans, starting with those from Kapangan, Benguet, where he was made an "adopted son", as well as farmers along the Mtn Trail, mainly in Atok, Buguias and Acop.  This may be part of an informal campaign, but he told us that he actually wanted to get the pulse of the ordinary folks on what they feel would be the best approach to improve their lives, as basis for impending and future proposals in the Senate.  This April, he will grace the Lang-ay Festival in Bontoc, where tribes of the ten towns that make up the province converge in Bontoc for a series of unity meetings, street dancing and a show of cultural and political unity.

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#33 04-27-2009 18:41:58

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Re: Igorots for Manny B. Villar

There would be more presidentiables hitting the minority trails that is basic electioneering technique. Although he got the heads up from the Alma Mater during the last survey, there are still a many who are cynical about his plans and one co ikot runner, J. Binay is hitting the roads too.

On the contrary, I here talks at the AS even at the FC and elsewhere that the oblation should be bemoustached instead, claiming that the man has the power to unite a nation.

Well, I have to wait until the money starts flowing in and decide.

Butthead cool

Nb. The Ethics investigation will be a good show. That is one to watch to measure abilities of presidentiables on the floor. I'd like to see the fairness of the committee, or if it comes out a real kangaroo as the good man claims.

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#34 06-01-2009 04:33:50

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I am still not impressed despite his daily ads (early sign of politicking). In fact, the ads has left a sour taste.

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#35 09-19-2009 14:22:12

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ajarn_nick wrote:

ankol mo suna? hehehe

siguro nga eh noh?


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#36 09-20-2009 20:07:01

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was dismayed with the political advertisements of manny villar.. its pure political gimmicky and nothing else. i was hoping that manny villar will not engage in pure political gimmickry but was really disappointed


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#37 09-20-2009 20:27:20

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marc1990 wrote:

was dismayed with the political advertisements of manny villar.. its pure political gimmicky and nothing else. i was hoping that manny villar will not engage in pure political gimmickry but was really disappointed

Oh well you haven't seen nothin yet. He's bouncing around the country with Willie Revillame (correct me if I got the name wrong).

The people are being offered showtime politics. The people will get showtime politics with the game of chance as the governments foremost policy.

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#38 09-20-2009 20:40:23

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BeavisnButthead wrote:

marc1990 wrote:

was dismayed with the political advertisements of manny villar.. its pure political gimmicky and nothing else. i was hoping that manny villar will not engage in pure political gimmickry but was really disappointed

Oh well you haven't seen nothin yet. He's bouncing around the country with Willie Revillame (correct me if I got the name wrong).

The people are being offered showtime politics. The people will get showtime politics with the game of chance as the governments foremost policy.

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-- yeah, i was really disappointed. his true color came out, he is more trapo than the other trapos. i thought he will thread higher grounds but he chose not too. don't tell me he is not using his office to promote his presidential candidacy because i will definitely don't believe it.. he is surely using his funds as senator for his travels around the country and he is travelling a lot


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#39 09-20-2009 20:44:58

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Re: Igorots for Manny B. Villar

marc1990 wrote:

BeavisnButthead wrote:

marc1990 wrote:

was dismayed with the political advertisements of manny villar.. its pure political gimmicky and nothing else. i was hoping that manny villar will not engage in pure political gimmickry but was really disappointed

Oh well you haven't seen nothin yet. He's bouncing around the country with Willie Revillame (correct me if I got the name wrong).

The people are being offered showtime politics. The people will get showtime politics with the game of chance as the governments foremost policy.

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-- yeah, i was really disappointed. his true color came out, he is more trapo than the other trapos. i thought he will thread higher grounds but he chose not too. don't tell me he is not using his office to promote his presidential candidacy because i will definitely don't believe it.. he is surely using his funds as senator for his travels around the country and he is travelling a lot

The votes at his Alma Mater are changing. The vote after the sem should strengthen the students belief that Manny is running to protect his money and his family's future in the country. Typical of what the moneyed few in the country have been doing for decades after gaining freedom from the good ole US of A.


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#40 12-13-2009 09:15:07

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Re: Igorots for Manny B. Villar

If Manny is running in order to protect his money, then he is running for the wrong reason. In fact, he doesn't need the money anymore. His future and that of his children are already more than assured...he has enugh money to last his lifetime.

The presidency thus becomes a challenge to develop a legacy that he is more than just a money-maker, perhaps that he wants to become a statesman-leader who led his country to prosperity. That's why he isn't going to be as corrupt as those before him, assuming he wins.

And becoming a good president is a legacy that money can't buy. Let's give him a chance he really means to be a leader of his people.


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#41 12-14-2009 00:11:32

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Re: Igorots for Manny B. Villar

lugan.ikit wrote:

If Manny is running in order to protect his money, then he is running for the wrong reason. In fact, he doesn't need the money anymore. His future and that of his children are already more than assured...he has enugh money to last his lifetime.

The presidency thus becomes a challenge to develop a legacy that he is more than just a money-maker, perhaps that he wants to become a statesman-leader who led his country to prosperity. That's why he isn't going to be as corrupt as those before him, assuming he wins.

And becoming a good president is a legacy that money can't buy. Let's give him a chance he really means to be a leader of his people.

Shouldn't his statesmanship be out earlier in his political career? If that was shown earlier, he wouldn't be with this new ads popping out, him meeting with different sectors in the society.

Think about that.


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#42 12-14-2009 06:16:29

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If you go through his resume during his terms as Congressman and Senator....you'll be surprised. He has one of the longest list of laws and resolutions authored and co-authored as a legislator and it was because of this performance that he was voted as Speaker of the House, then as Senate President.

Congress was most productive during his term as Speaker of the House, despite maintaining a low publicity profile unlike his predecessor and successor, Rabbit Ear de Venecia. In the same way at the Senate.... that even Senators Joke Arroyo, Kiko Pangilinan and Miriam Santiago vouched for Villar's results-oriented leadership.

But then, statemanship isn't about performance only. Look at Senator Angara ... I believe he is the most statesman among today's crop of lawmakers/leaders, volunteering to lead, and sacrificing his personal ambitions to the common good. While he easily topped the senate race during his second term, he thought this was his passport to the Presidency... only to realize that he must give way to political accommodations -- something he found repugnant, hence his decision not to pursue the Presidency any longer.

Senator Angara was the most qualified presidentiable at his time.... but he had principles.

Villar is next best statesman after Angara.

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#43 12-14-2009 15:27:04

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Villar-Legarda is a good tandem. Until you learn who are the first set of NP's senatorial line-up; Bongbong Marcos, Satur Ocampo(Bayan Muna), Lisa Maza(Gabriela), then you go yikes yikes yikes

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#44 12-14-2009 22:20:39

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Angara was sure a statesman, and I would not dare a comparison with Villar even if there is a journal at the house recording his work. Just look at the comparison Lugan, I find it skewed to compare a UP president with a UP alumni. I'll set that aside and talk vision instead, I do not sea a clear sky with Villar's, as it reflects a trapos' vision still.


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#45 12-18-2009 02:43:30

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The vision of Villar is as trapo as those before him -- to lift his countrymen from the quagmire of poverty. There's nothing new here. You're very right there. And this is also the vision shared by most presidentiables -- all trapos.

What is new, perhaps, is strategic direction. 

At the policy level, this includes changing the mindset of Filipinos from users to doers, from consumers to producers -- at both the domestic and global arenas.

At the program level -- this means encouraging the "sipag at tiyaga" attitude. Lazy men do not a nation move. Equip people with a sound body and mind, arm them with an inquisitive intellect in the sciences and innovation-based disciplines, and strengthen their spirit with sound moral ethos.

The things Villar is currently doing -- is to foment change within the system, by becoming a trapo to implement ideas for change that are non-trapo.

Very zen-like.  I like that.

Villar tayo.

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#46 12-18-2009 03:51:39

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Please don't get text book man, enlighten us on his strategies for poverty, and employment.

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#47 12-20-2009 18:50:04

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lugan.ikit wrote:

The vision of Villar is as trapo as those before him -- to lift his countrymen from the quagmire of poverty. There's nothing new here. You're very right there. And this is also the vision shared by most presidentiables -- all trapos.

What is new, perhaps, is strategic direction. 

At the policy level, this includes changing the mindset of Filipinos from users to doers, from consumers to producers -- at both the domestic and global arenas.

At the program level -- this means encouraging the "sipag at tiyaga" attitude. Lazy men do not a nation move. Equip people with a sound body and mind, arm them with an inquisitive intellect in the sciences and innovation-based disciplines, and strengthen their spirit with sound moral ethos.

The things Villar is currently doing -- is to foment change within the system, by becoming a trapo to implement ideas for change that are non-trapo.

Very zen-like.  I like that.

Villar tayo.

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i'm beginning to question Villar's "Sipag at Tiyaga", well good for him nga to have earned so much as a businessman and a a legislator, but sipag at tiyaga is an old Pinoy adage and which is to "generic". if you say lazy men do not move a nation, i think it should be more than that. why can't he state " corrupt men don't move a nation" instead?
i have yet to hear him talk about tackling corruption. this i have to say because of a would-be president who is very close to businessmen and his business would be walking a thin line on granting favors for them later on.

i think Gibo is a better alternative. as far as the UP Diliman survey last week, Gibo came in a strong fist and Villar, a far third.


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#48 12-22-2009 06:46:52

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Gibo was first at the UP mock polls.

Years earlier, Salonga was first. But who won?

Then it was Raul Roco, we know who won....

The crap about UP being a microcosm of society is what it is... Whoever wins in UP's mock polls loses.

No doubt about Gibo's heart being in the right place. His qualifications are impeccable. Gibo, indeed, appears a better alternative, if perceptions of Villar as corrupt are difficult to disprove. But he won't win.

For Chasm, I can be specific on MBV's programs... but it's gonna take lots of space. It's different if you personally know the person. You don't need others to tell you whom to vote for. Kaya, personally, kay Villar ako.

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#49 12-22-2009 06:48:13

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Question : mababayaran ba ni GIBO ang utang ng Pilipinas?

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#50 12-22-2009 23:13:39

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I insist! That's the reason there are only two topics to present us, and you are capable of doing so.


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